Empowering Mental Health Professionals: Insights from CEU Providers and OCD Specialists Danielle Henderson and Meghin Lisi with THRIVE. Training Hub

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Welcome to the Continuing Education for Mental

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Health Professionals Podcast.

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Today we are hosting our very first

CEU Provider Spotlight Conversation.

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This is where we will learn

more about CEU providers in our

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community and their journeys.

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My name is Natasha Moharter and I'm a

licensed counselor and OCD specialist.

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I run the Facebook group CE for

Mental Health Professionals.

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I am so excited because we are joined

by our very special guests Danielle

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Henderson and Meghin Lisi with THRIVE.

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Training Hub for Anxiety and

OCD Intervention and Education.

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We're honored to have them here sharing

their wisdom and helping us learn about

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the wonderful new resources they've

created to help others in the field.

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So just to get to know our spotlighted

CEU providers a little bit more,

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we have Danielle Henderson.

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She has a doctorate degree in

clinical psychology and over 16

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years of clinical experience.

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She's an LPC in Pennsylvania and

has specialized in treating OCD and

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anxiety disorders for over six years.

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She has several years of experience

teaching therapists of all experience

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levels how to treat OCD and

anxiety disorders using Exposure

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and Response Prevention therapy.

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In addition to this, Danielle

has experience teaching several

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undergraduate courses, as well as

teaching and training medical students.

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She has led consultation groups

for licensed professionals and

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supervised pre-doctoral students.

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Danielle is also on the Women's Health

Research Committee at a local university.

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She loves coffee, playing video games,

hanging out with her family, and doing

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various arts and crafts projects.

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Another fun fact about Danielle is that,

in another life, she made digital art for

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content creators on a streaming platform.

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Welcome, Danielle.

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We are so, so happy to

have you here today.

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah,

thanks for having me.

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I'm excited to be here.

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Natasha Moharter: And let's go into

introducing our next guest, Meghin Lisi.

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Meghin is a practicing licensed marriage

and family therapist residing in New York,

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and she's the co-founder of THRIVE...

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Meghin has dedicated the most recent

half of her career to specializing

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in the treatment of OCD and

anxiety disorders using Exposure

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and Response Prevention therapy.

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As the co-founder of THRIVE.,

Meghin, along with her business

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partner, create training content,

provide education and consultation

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services, as well as executing program

development for other providers and

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practices looking to specialize in

treating OCD and related disorders.

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Teaching has been a long standing

passion of Meghin's within the mental

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health profession, and she has extensive

experience providing education to

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pre-licensed and licensed clinicians,

including time spent serving as an

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adjunct professor at the graduate level.

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Meghin has and continues to dedicate her

career to serving stigmatized populations

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and ensuring clinicians are supported

and given the best resources to carry out

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their work confidently and competently.

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Meghin, such a pleasure to have you here.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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Meghin Lisi: Thanks for having me.

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Natasha Moharter: I'm so looking

forward to this conversation today.

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We got to meet briefly before,

um, so just a kind of little

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quick fact about how we connected.

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Networking is important.

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I have the Facebook group, Continuing

Education for Mental Health Professionals.

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I believe, Danielle, you joined that first

and then we kind of connected on LinkedIn.

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And then Meghin and Danielle did a really,

really fun video for Friday the 13th.

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And I loved it.

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I just laughed.

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I was in the car watching it

and I was like, this is amazing.

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And so, um, Danielle had reached out.

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We set up a kind of meet and

greet virtually like this.

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And, uh, it was just really clear at

that point that you're just amazing

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colleagues to have in general, amazing CEU

providers in the field, OCD specialists,

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as a fellow OCD specialist, I am so

honored to be spotlighting you all

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as the first, member spotlight here.

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Can you share a little

bit about your background?

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And what got you interested in

becoming creators and CEU providers?

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah, that's great.

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Thank you.

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So both of us worked together, in the same

company, where we were treating OCD, and

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we were also training other clinicians

in how to do ERP or Exposure and Response

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Prevention for clients who have OCD.

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And training is something that both of us

have been really, really passionate about.

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I come from a, teaching background, Meghin

does as well, but I'll let her speak

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to that, and we're both really, really

passionate about therapist education.

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So thinking of ways that we could

incorporate that more into THRIVE...

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, absolutely.

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And I'd say.

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You know, just personally,

my mom is a teacher, or was

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a teacher, she's retired now.

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Kind of got the teaching genes

all throughout my family.

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So it's ironic because I never wanted

to be a classroom teacher, but once I

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got into the field, I realized that I

didn't always want to just do direct

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clinical work, that there was like this

area within our profession where we could

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provide education to other providers.

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And that really got me very

excited and interested.

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So started being able to implement

that in the corporate world.

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And that's how Danielle and I connected

and then decided like, we want to

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be able to do this for ourselves.

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So we, um, we both have that

teaching background and I also

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got to work in a CE program in a

past life as well, which was fun.

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Natasha Moharter: It's incredible.

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So.

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Uh, very much interested in kind

of like you said that teaching

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aspect, sharing knowledge, wisdom.

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Teaching isn't always easy.

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Teaching can come with its

challenges, but I think you have

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to have a certain passion for it.

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I definitely have seen that from

both of you, especially in the

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content you've already created

and in your current endeavors.

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Danielle Henderson: Thank you.

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Yeah, yeah, it's really great when

you get to take something you're

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passionate about and then actually

apply and bring it to life, so to speak.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, for sure.

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I agree.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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So next question, what have been

your favorite parts of this journey

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into content creation and training?

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Yeah.

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So we're both really creative people

and that's something that's been fun,

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whether it's, creating materials,

creating flyers and different kind of,

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materials like that has been really great.

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And then also being able to make

something that's completely ours.

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So being able to learn from past

experiences, what we like, what we

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didn't like, and just being able to

make something that we feel really

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proud of and we know is good content.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, and I think part

of that is just getting the ability to

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connect with other clinicians creatively

as well and work directly with the

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therapist more and play a role in

this profession that's different than,

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like I said, just direct clinical care

as much as we both value that and we

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both actively practice as clinicians.

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We also wanted to be able to get

our hands into things that was us.

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It was for us by us.

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And we're able to provide that

to other people in our own style.

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But the creativity piece is probably

one of our favorites across the board

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because we get to make something from

nothing that is entirely our two brains

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that come together, which is super fun.

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Natasha Moharter: I think it's important,

when you are content creators to have that

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passion and that interest in creativity,

because it can make some of those other

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things like tech stacks and, advertising

and marketing like a little bit easier.

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Danielle Henderson: Yes.

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Natasha Moharter: It does sound like, and

this is something that I've done as well

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in my content creation journey is I when

I attend other professional trainings,

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I write notes and I have actually a form

that says, this is what I really liked.

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Definitely add this.

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This didn't work so well.

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Let's kind of leave that out or, Oh,

maybe I've done that in the past.

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Let's kind of rewrite that a little bit.

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Oh, that didn't land as well as

I'd hoped this landed really well.

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Let's kind of adjust.

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And so it sounds like you both

kind of use that skill as well.

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah, definitely.

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I'd say we definitely try to

apply similar types of strategies.

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And then the other thing that we're really

interested in and we try to bring about in

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our work is catering to different learning

styles within our course content, right?

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Because we know not

everybody learns the same.

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So that's some ways that we've really

been able to get creative to write,

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like, you know, how can we make sure

we're trying to hit on as many learning

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styles as possible with our content?

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Meghin Lisi: And getting that feedback

directly from the providers that we work

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with and train is a big piece of that.

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So we're really open to viewing

this as an ongoing journey where

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we are going to keep learning and

modifying and changing for the better.

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Just hearing from the clinicians

directly about what worked, what

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didn't work, like that's a really

helpful piece for us because then we

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implement those changes and make things

bigger and better as time goes on.

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Natasha Moharter: One of the things

that I've seen in exploring your

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websites and profiles and the content

you have created is that it seems like

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your creativity really shines through.

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I love the colors.

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I love the different graphics.

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Even when I saw your

YouTube video, I was hooked.

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It was so fun.

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It was so genuine and so real.

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And I was like, yes, we need info and

content like this out on the world.

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Specifically for OCD.

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Yes.

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And others as well, but it was

just, it's really neat to see that

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shine through and to really get

to see kind of your personalities

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and your creative styles and that.

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Danielle Henderson: Thanks.

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Meghin Lisi: Thank you for noticing.

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The colors and things like you said,

those are our favorite color schemes,

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like we're doing everything that feels

good to us, but, yeah, there's a lot

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of back and forth on the creativity

piece in the background, which is fun.

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Natasha Moharter: Yes.

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There's a saying that I heard one time

and it said, you don't have to be an

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expert to be a contributor, right?

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And so sometimes I think that

when, you know, I didn't as a, as a

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therapist, I didn't take any business

courses or marketing courses or

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things like this graphic design,

but I love this stuff, right?

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But it's kind of stuff that we

learn as we put it into practice.

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You have to kind of shift

your mind in some ways.

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Danielle Henderson: Yes, we've had lots of

conversations around that about how we're

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not really taught, we're not told how

to market ourselves, how to make money.

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It's just kind of like, figure it

out, good luck and learn on your own.

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And that can be hard.

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So it's nice.

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I think, we have the two of us to bounce

ideas off of, but then also getting to

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network and connect with other people and

see what's working, what's not working.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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And you get to showcase your stuff, right?

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Just because we didn't, you

know, we weren't experts in

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marketing or things like that.

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We didn't take, our degrees

are not in that necessarily.

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Doesn't mean that we can't shine

through in those colors and the

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graphics it's super representative of

our own styles and it's really neat.

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We need representation, so, cool.

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So next question, what have been your

least favorite parts about this journey

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into content creation and CEU providing?

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Danielle Henderson: I will

answer hands down tech.

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Um, there have been so many things

that I've learned that, I never

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thought I was going to have to learn

times or like earlier today, I was

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editing a video and my computer just

decided it was going to shut off and

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not save any of the edits I've made.

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So I think tech hands down has been

the least favorite part of the journey.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah.

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I will second that every single day of

my existence, because I agree on, I got

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to hand it to Danielle, she is like the

tech guru in this working relationship

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and is awesome and picks up on things

that my brain just can't and doesn't.

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So that's where it's like the teamwork

makes the dream work here as well.

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Also I want to say like the delays

in things we have these ideas and

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expectations of like things are

going to get done by a certain day,

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a certain time, different timelines.

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And there's always some sort of barrier,

like Danielle had mentioned even this

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morning, that something just happens and

comes up and you get kind of derailed.

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So being able to, learn to be adaptable

and adjust has been a good lesson

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for us as well, but the delays, yeah,

that kind of gets me a little bit

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on top of the tech piece for sure.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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It's funny in, in my content creation

during, I have really enjoyed the,

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like the graphic part of it and kind of

setting up websites and things like that.

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And I have learned, I have ADHD and,

I do extensive research on tech.

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And so I have to be careful not to be

like, What does all the reviews say?

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And who says this?

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And that one seems like the best,

but let me try all the free trials.

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And then it's like, I actually really

like that part, but then starting

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it, I'm like, yeah, I haven't set

up, but that's a little bit scary and

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intimidating to actually go do it now.

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So , how do you keep going even when

they're tech kind of challenges?

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What kind of keeps you both moving

forward and working as a team?

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah,

that's a great question.

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Because at least for me, I had very

similar struggles, Natasha, in terms

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of like, I'm going to read every

single review, cause I want to make

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sure I'm choosing the good one.

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Right.

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Meghin, you probably saw this.

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I don't know if we explicitly

talked about it, but a little bit

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of, decision paralysis, I was like,

I don't know which one to choose.

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And then you get overwhelmed and you

kind of leave it alone for a minute.

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So something that I found helpful is I'm

like, okay, I think I like, take a day

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away from it and then regroup and see

how I feel and then get back into it.

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And then I think just the two of us being

able to hold each other accountable too,

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because, you know, a part of me is like,

if I was out on my own, it would be, a

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little easier for me to be like, oh, I'll

just keep, pushing it down the street.

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But now there's somebody else where it's

like, okay, we got to be accountable.

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We have to do this.

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Meghin Lisi: Yep, definitely.

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I think that us being in a partnership

makes that a lot easier for me personally,

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because the accountability piece is huge.

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Knowing that you're not just doing

this for yourself, you're doing this

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with and for somebody else, and vice

versa, and You know, there's that

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inevitable like little nudge every day

where you're like, you don't want to

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disappoint the other person either.

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And that helps to kind of hold yourself

to a certain standard, but also being

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able to bounce off of each other when

things get hard and there are roadblocks

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and the problem solving aspect of

that instead of just being isolated

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is like a really huge part of this

as well that I found very beneficial.

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So I think if I were doing this solo,

I might've even given up at this point,

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which sounds kind of sad, but, we've

pushed through some big barriers so far in

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a short period of time and it's resulted

in nothing but positive things so far.

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Natasha Moharter: I think

it's so neat to hear that.

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I tend to be somebody that kind of

likes to work more independently.

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But it just reminds us that,

you know, people, we, as humans,

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we're very social beings, right?

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And that accountability partner stuff,

that bouncing ideas off one another,

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there's so much that can come from that.

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So much cool stuff.

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One of the things that really

stood out to me in our initial

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conversation, our initial, visit,

Was just how much you both connected.

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You seem like you have a good connection,

good colleague partnership, right.

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And maybe even friendship.

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And so there's kind of

that, like, you can be real.

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Danielle Henderson: Exactly.

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Natasha Moharter: Along those lines, our

viewers won't know this, but we had a tech

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snafu prior to this, and so here we are

on Zoom, but we move forward and we keep

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going even when there's tech stuff, right?

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So, and, you both were so gracious in,

helping me navigate some of that today,

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as I learn this, as I step into this

realm of video recording and things like

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that, that you have already embarked in.

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Kind of a question I didn't send you

all before, but something that I noticed

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when I was preparing the interview

questions was that you both had said,

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let me go back to it really quickly.

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So, I said, what interests you about

kind of having this conversation.

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You both said, building connections, both

of you, building connections, building

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connections, anything that you would like

to share a little bit more about that

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and if not no pressure, but I thought

that that was, I was like, We're in tune.

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You are on the same wavelength here,

even in separate form submissions.

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Danielle Henderson: I've really enjoyed

recently, getting into different

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spaces, getting to connect with other

therapists who are doing similar things,

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different things, and even if it's

just like, hey, let's just chat for,

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you know, 10, 15 minutes about what

we're up to and what we want to do.

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I find those really important and

meaningful because sometimes it

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can feel, especially in this world,

like when you're not attached

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to a corporation anymore, right.

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It can feel a little bit

like you're on an island.

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So I think just being connected

and, you know, who knows, you, might

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be able to help each other because

that's what it's all about, right?

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Being able to empower each other

and really lift each other up.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, the collaboration

is definitely super important

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because that's the only way that we

can learn and continue to grow as

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professionals and also personally.

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Getting to, I mean, with, with the

tech, this is a good piece of the tech

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connect with people that are in totally

different parts of the country or even

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the world and people we would never even

cross paths with we're able to just hop

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on Zoom or another platform and have

these conversations and see what other

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people are up to and what skills they're

amplifying or, in the reverse, like where

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other people feel stuck and burnt out and

being able to even inspire in those cases.

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So there's a selfish element of like,

Oh, I want to keep learning and I want to

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keep hearing what other people are doing

and how can we help each other versus

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how can we connect with the clinicians

that might be feeling super low, which we

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all have probably been in that position

at different points in our career.

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Doubting ourselves and our skills and

our abilities and just getting like a

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little bit of a light at the end of the

tunnel through some conversations with

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people, I want to be able to supply

that because I've gotten that from other

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providers at different points in time.

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And without that, like Danielle

said, we feel like we're

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out on the island sometimes.

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So that collaboration and just human

connection, like that's super, super vital

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to our functioning and then us being able

to be successful business people as well.

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Natasha Moharter: There's so much

meaning and purpose behind it.

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And we also know kind of, again, going

into the skill set of business owner

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and content creator and marketer, right?

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Networking is one of the most beneficial

kind of aspects or avenues for that.

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And so getting to talk with people,

getting to connect, getting to kind of

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learn about them and not just, I think,

a therapist sometimes, you know, In my

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humble biased opinion, what I've seen

is that we're like, we're here to help.

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We don't want to go feel salesy.

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Right.

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And yet we gotta pay our bills.

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We do need money to, and

we create cool stuff.

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Why can't we get paid for the amazing

work that we do with the expertise

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that we bring, all the education that

we have and the continued learning

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that we continue to put into it.

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Right.

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And so there's, there's that

networking piece can be, it

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doesn't have to be salesy.

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It can very much be.

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with the purpose of benefiting one

another and lifting each other up.

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Danielle Henderson: Right.

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Yeah.

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So building more like connection

and authentic relationships with

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people as opposed to, you know,

like exactly that salesy pitch.

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Meghin Lisi: There's something special

about this field doing the business

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sales stuff, because at least most

clinicians that I interact with and

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have over the years, what they're doing,

they genuinely believe in and there's a

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purpose driving it versus past life, I've

been in the sales world before and it's

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an icky role to me to play to have to

push something because a corporation is

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telling you to, and you don't even have

a full understanding or a belief in the

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product that you're putting out there.

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So when it comes to the mental

health profession, it's like, we

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do what we really love and enjoy.

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We're serving a population of people,

of clients in particular, that have a

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great need that are greatly stigmatized.

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And we want to spread that

knowledge to as many providers as

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we can, because there will never

not be enough work to go around.

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So I don't like the idea of

this, like competitive nature.

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Like if we're doing similar things

as other people, like we got to

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come out on top of the other one.

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No, those are the people

we want to connect with.

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And we want to be able to build

up alongside us continuing to

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pour into our own work as well.

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Natasha Moharter: That that's, really

near and dear to my heart as well.

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And I think that was another thing that

stood out to me in our initial meeting and

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networking kind of virtual zoom meeting.

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was that, you both are very genuine and

there's not this sense of competition.

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It's this, hey, let's get to know each

other so we can see how we kind of

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fit into each other's pictures, right?

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What, like you said, Meghin, there's so

much work to go around, like, everybody

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can have clients and everybody can have

other CEU providing attendees, right?

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It's fine.

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It's good.

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So I think it can create kind of that

safety also, especially when, you know,

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therapists aren't necessarily always

trained in this to how to market and

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network and things like that, and to

not feel that they're in competition

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that feel like, hey, like, there's

only good that can come out of this.

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Let's let's really build one another up.

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Something else really quick that stood

out to me through this and through kind

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of figuring out what do we do and what do

we provide and then what do other people

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that we're not going to work, what do

they work with and what do they provide.

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So I really like to focus on the

ERP implementation exposure work.

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Like figuring out how do you not just

learn it, but get in and start doing

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it, maybe because that's where I,

keep working on personally as well.

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Like I can set up all the tech stuff,

but then you got to hit record.

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You all have a couple of really cool

trainings that you have developed.

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You are currently approved through

the NBCC, the National Board for

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Certified Counselors for live trainings.

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You went through the certification

process that is hashtag goals

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for so many CEU providers.

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Can you tell us a little bit about

that process, what that was like

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for you and then what you're using,

the NBCC certification to provide?

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Danielle Henderson: Sure.

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Yeah.

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So we both decided that we wanted to

be able to provide CEs and we picked

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NBCC because from your group was

actually really helpful for this.

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So kind of looking around,

they seemed like, the least

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challenging to get involved with.

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We took a look at the application process.

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We saw that we had to have a 60

day, notice period for them and that

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kind of fell right around Halloween.

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So we use that to really pick

what we wanted to do our topic on.

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So we got our application

materials together.

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There were a few places where the

language was a little confusing

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or convoluted your Facebook group

was incredibly helpful for that.

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And that's something that I

hope I can give back to as well.

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If people have questions about

that application, because there

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were a couple of questions I was

like, what does that even mean?

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Who is this for?

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Natasha Moharter: You have been

very active in the Facebook group.

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I've really appreciated that.

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And it was really neat because you

were actually one of the first,

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NBCC providers to kind of post in

there that, Hey, we got, approved.

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And so it was like, this is so cool.

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We got to see you asking about

questions and then the approval process.

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It's doable.

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It is doable.

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There's some steps, right?

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There's some stuff you

have to kind of go through.

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah, there,

there are definitely steps.

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The rep that I worked with was

really helpful in terms of, you know,

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like, here's what you need to fix.

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He gave me the examples that they give

you a toolbox to look at that has all

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the different information materials

use that because there were some

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things I missed the first time around.

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Yeah, we got approved a lot faster

than we, I think we were both

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expecting, which was really cool.

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I think it was only like a few

weeks when they tell you, you

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know, give them like 60 days.

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And I was like, Oh, this is awesome.

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So honestly it was not, as bad or as

challenging as we thought it was going to

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be, which was a nice twist to the story.

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Definitely doable.

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If you're thinking about it.

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Do the single program application.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, do it.

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Don't don't do what I do.

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And like, I put that mental block up of

like, not even wanting to approach it

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in the first place, because it does feel

a little daunting, but once you get the

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ball rolling, it's going to work out.

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And honestly, that was probably one

of the easier steps than other things

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that we have to conquer and overcome

in the business portion of things.

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So don't hesitate to do it if

it's something that you care

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about and something that you

want to get involved with.

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Natasha Moharter: That

encouragement is so, so important

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because so many of us, right?

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We're like, that's new and

daunting and it's national and

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it's NBCC and like, whoa, hold on.

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So just like you said, kind of going

into it, Danielle, you mentioned the

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CE provider toolbox that you can access

on the NBCC website and that I've

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honestly, I've used that to create my

learning objectives for my CEU trainings.

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I used it to do the, because I, I

have hashtag goals of NBCC approval.

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And, so I created my CEU

certificate based off of that.

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So it was really, really helpful.

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And it was neat to hear your, your

experience going through this, that

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it was, it wasn't just a, yeah, I sent

off my money and then they deny me.

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I think that can be kind of

intimidating as well for providers.

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Danielle Henderson: Yes, definitely.

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That was very refreshing because

we were both expecting it was

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going to come back with edits

and then hopefully get approved.

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So it was very nice that it didn't turn

out the other way where it was like we

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took your money and you're not getting it.

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And good luck.

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Natasha Moharter: So we have several

members of our community that are

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feeling burnt out and want to cut down on

clinical work and, or add an additional

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income stream for financial stability.

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For someone just starting out on their

CEU provider journey, what would you

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say are like one to three most important

steps to take to begin the process?

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Danielle Henderson: I think first there's

a little bit of a mental barrier or hurdle

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sometimes that we need to work through

as therapists because there's a lot of,

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I think, "should" expectations about, you

know, we "should" be doing clinical work.

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We "should" be taking clients

at a very low fee, right?

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There's all these "shoulds" about

what need to happen in our profession.

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So I think kind of getting over some of

those and recognizing that it's okay to

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try to branch out and do other things.

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It's okay to step back or step

down from clinical work if it's

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something that isn't serving you

to the degree that you're doing it.

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So I think mental barrier, we

need to work through first.

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And then after that, find out what

you could talk about for an hour.

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Find out what you're passionate

about, what's something that's in

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your niche or your wheelhouse, and

maybe think about starting there.

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So don't do a CE on something you're

totally unfamiliar with, right?

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Like, stick in your wheelhouse, make

it easier for yourself for the first

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go around, and then do your research in

terms of where you want to be in terms

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of APA, NBCC, you know, state CEs, right?

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Research and figure out what would

be the best starting point, what

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makes sense for your audience.

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Meghin Lisi: And I think starting with

one, you know, instead of jumping into

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I have to do all of this at once, find

the one specialty topic, find the one

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application that you want to pursue and

start building those blocks from there

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and it'll continue to morph into its own

thing over time, but as long as you're

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doing something that you genuinely

enjoy, there is absolutely nothing wrong

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with doing other things in this field.

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You start to second guess yourself

and like, why did I sign up to be a

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therapist if I'm feeling burnt out if

I'm at a certain number in my caseload

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or whatever the case may be, but

everybody has a different threshold.

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We also have other skills.

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We're not just clinicians.

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We're whatever we want to be.

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And if there's other things that we

learn that we enjoy when we're developing

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within the profession, then we should be

watering that and seeing where it grows

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to instead of ignoring it and trying to

fit a mold of something that might not

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feel like a long term item in our list of

tasks that we have to do as professionals.

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So I think I started gaining some

flexibility around what my career would

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look like once I had the opportunity

to start nourishing some other

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skills that I knew that I enjoyed.

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And then it took my own advocacy to

say like, no, I, I need to do this for

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myself, even if there's risk or it feels

scary because I need to see what it

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can turn into before just ignoring it.

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And, putting my head down and continuing

to do the same thing over and over again.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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I think it's so important for us

to kind of, again, going back to

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that, that conversation and topic

of, you know, therapists are,

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we're kind of technicians, right?

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We're doers.

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And so, but what happens when we

can't have "butt in seat" hours, and

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that's how our income is generated.

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So sometimes providing CEUs, even through

recorded trainings or live events can

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be an additional way you can record

it repurpose the content, and then you

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have money while you sleep money, right?

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Where it's like you wake up and you

have a registration, you're like, wow,

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I didn't even have to sit somewhere

for that money to come my way.

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And that can be so refreshing

and so beneficial because

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it fuels our continued work.

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It fuels, like you said, we

therapists are in this field a lot

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of times, because we care, right?

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Because we want to make an impact

because we want to do good things.

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And when we have financial resource,

it allows us to continue to do that.

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: 00:29:20

And we know that when people

struggle with financial resources,

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: 00:29:23

it changes our brains, right?

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It decreases our creative abilities.

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And so being able to support that and

kind of becoming a patron of our own art

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to fund it, and then allowing that to

grow, it can be really, really important.

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So next question here, you have

an upcoming live CEU training.

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Can you tell us a little

bit more about that?

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Danielle Henderson: Yes.

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So our CE event is taking

place on November the 1st.

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And so right around Halloween,

which is you know, we're trying,

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we have been thinking about kind

of theming our CEs around different

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holidays and times of the year.

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So, our first CE is going to

focus on Harm OCD and we're going

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to talk about how to treat it.

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With ERP, we're going to equip therapists

with the foundational knowledge in terms

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of, you know, recognizing, diagnosing,

how to treat it, and then incorporating

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values into ERP work, which is something

that Meghin and I are really passionate

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about, and I know you are as well.

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Natasha Moharter: My heart!

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Danielle Henderson: So we're going to

have, you know, traditional kind of like

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lecture didactic style and then we're also

going to incorporate some experiential

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exercises into our CE as well.

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Meghin Lisi: Yep, and I'll

toss in there that it is from

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3 to 4:30 Eastern on the 1st.

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Natasha Moharter: It sounds like it

is an event that no one should miss.

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This is a, there's some interesting

aspects within harm OCD, right?

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And if we don't know how to identify

it, we could be completely treating

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it incorrectly and ineffectively

and unethically and like, Hmm.

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None of us are here to do that.

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: 00:31:10

We worked our butts off for our

education and for our license.

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: 00:31:13

You all can help them kind of

prevent some liability challenges.

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: 00:31:17

They can learn some fun stuff

and it's an hour and a half.

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: 00:31:21

Danielle Henderson: It is.

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Yes.

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So 1.

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5 NBCC credits.

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Natasha Moharter: Okay, so with

regards to this upcoming live CEU

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training we're talking about harm ocd.

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How did you come up with the topic?

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Danielle Henderson: I'll let

you take that one, Meghin.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, so like we were

talking about earlier, we were looking at

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the time of year that we were targeting

and we both were like, oh, that's

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gonna be right around Halloween time.

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It would be kind of cool to theme

the subtype of OCD that we want

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to present about and get into some

detail on as we may or may not know.

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For anybody listening, there are

Endless subtypes or themes of OCD.

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So it's not like it just

presents as contamination or it

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just presents as organization.

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There's a whole, one various world of

OCD symptoms that most average people

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probably don't even have awareness of.

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So harm OCD is one of those

subtypes and we felt it matched

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pretty well with the time of year.

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We were like, let's do some deep dive into

harm OCD and like Danielle had mentioned

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to assessment and diagnosis of and then

diving into the treatment of and it'll

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be a good time of year to kind of talk

about that theme a little bit in the way

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that it presents and then bringing again,

the values into that treatment, which is

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one of the most important pieces as well.

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So we're excited to introduce that for the

Halloween theme time of year, and we'll

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try to be consistent and doing some fun

things like that and bringing, I guess,

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a little bit of a lightness to something

that is very dark and challenging

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for people to experience firsthand.

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And hopefully we'll shed some

more awareness on it as well.

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Natasha Moharter: I think it's really neat

because you're using environmental cues.

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You're using other kinds of primers

to get people ready for the topic

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and the content and things like that.

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So neat.

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So last couple questions

before we get ready to wrap up.

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Can you tell us where to find you?

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What is your website?

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And, are you on social media?

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Danielle Henderson: Our website is

https://thrivehubfortraining.com.

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We are on LinkedIn and we are on

Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram.

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So you can kind of find

us all over the place.

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Natasha Moharter: And you all have

an email list as well that we can

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join and that, is on your website.

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Danielle Henderson: It is, yeah.

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It's on a few of the pages.

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Probably the easiest

place is on the homepage.

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Just scroll to the bottom and

you can join into our THRIVE.

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Community.

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Natasha Moharter: Wonderful.

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So, again, it has just been such an

honor, a privilege and a pleasure

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to have you both here today.

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I so appreciate your time, your

willingness to help me learn some tech

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stuff as well, to come in and have

this conversation about CEU content

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creation, that provider journey.

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Is there anything else that would

be helpful that you would want to

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share with other providers that

are interested in this journey that

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maybe we haven't talked about yet?

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, I would just say

speaking to the event we want to encourage

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any clinicians who are interested

in learning more about OCD to join.

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You don't have to be an expert in OCD to

attend this CE event you also don't have

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to be an expert in any of the specific

subtypes you're going to take something

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away from it and it'll shed a lot of light

on the disorder in general so we hope that

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anybody feels comfortable any pre-licensed

and licensed clinicians can join.

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Natasha Moharter: And it's a very

reasonable price for the content

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and the training that you all are

providing, plus the NBCC CEUs.

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I think that it's very, very reasonable

and again, you are both OCD specialists.

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You've been doing this for a long time.

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You have experience training others.

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You were saying, Danielle, one thing

that's really important to both of you

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is to incorporate other learning styles.

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And so, it just really sounds like it

could be a really beneficial event.

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I hope you have so much success with it.

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We will be linking the CEU website and,

all of their social media pages below.

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And so please feel free to follow them,

interact with them, and definitely

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consider attending this training.

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It's going to be on a

really important topic.

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A lot of clinicians I think can be,

challenged by the theme and the subtype

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of Harm OCD if you don't know what you're

looking for, it can feel like what am I

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doing and who just walked into my office.

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And it doesn't have to be scary.

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It's really cool that you are both

putting out this kind of content and we

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need more info out there about OCD, in

general, and so it's just really neat.

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Thank you again, both of you, so much

for your time, for being willing to

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be our first, spotlighted members.

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I look forward to our continued

collaboration and work together.

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Please feel free to everyone follow

Danielle and Meghin, go check out THRIVE.

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Training Hub.

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It is a really incredible resource and

there's so much time and work that's

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put into it and it is so quality.

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You won't walk away disappointed.

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Thank you so much.

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Danielle Henderson: Thanks for having us.

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Meghin Lisi: Thanks, Natasha!